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Thank you for your response to the survey. Here are the compiled results and comments.
- Weighting:
The facility is NEEDED to either enable them to stay at the camp, or to deliver the program to the youth in their group. This needs to get priority development.
People would USE the facility, if it was available, to deliver the program to their section.
This should receive second priority in development planning.
People would LIKE to see the facility developed at the camp.
This will be worked into the long range plan.
- Development:
In order to transfer the reservations from Trout Lake Camp to the Oscar Styffe site, sufficient facilities must be in place as soon as possible after Trout Lake Camp is sold, to accommodate the groups.
Some facilities requested in the survey, such as groups developing orienteering courses, Interpretive Nature and Hiking trails or their own camp sites on the property, can begin immediately upon approval from the Camp Committee.
- Planning and approval:
Once building plans are finalized, the Development Committee will develop a budget and time lines for the project. This must be approved by Scouts Canada before any Capitol expenditures can be made.
- Immediate needs:
*Please note*
ASAP we must look at purchasing equipment to mow the grass, and clear the driveway. We can not go any longer without addressing this need. The Camp Committee would like to sell the old Kubota tractor, and replace it with a larger machine, with a loader bucket and a snow blower attachment. We can either get an attachment to cut grass, or preferably, purchase a garden tractor for that.
Survey Results |
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Ranking |
Facilities |
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| Note: | Bunkhouses and Patrol Cabins combine to rank first | ||||||||
| 1 | Central Dining Hall with Kitchen facilities | ||||||||
| 2 | Potable water. | ||||||||
| 3 | Indoor meeting area | ||||||||
| 4 | Outdoor game space | ||||||||
| 5 | Field: All tents / camp sites in one area (Present 7 Acre field style). | ||||||||
| 6 | Space for Crafts in dining or meeting hall | ||||||||
| 7 | Indoor game space | ||||||||
| 8 | Campfire shelter.( Pole Barn ) | ||||||||
| 9 | Cabins: similar to present “Patrol Cabins”. | ||||||||
| 10 | Open-air campfire area or amphitheater. | ||||||||
| 11 | Wilderness or survival camping (no fixed or improved camp sites). | ||||||||
| 12 | Bunkhouse: similar to present “Charnock Lodge” with bunks for 22 + leaders. | ||||||||
| 13 | Parade square | ||||||||
| 14 | Separate craft shelter or hall | ||||||||
| 15 | Day use chalet | ||||||||
| 16 | Space for Large events (Provincial Jamborees etc.) | ||||||||
| 17 | Shower facilities | ||||||||
| 18 | Family Camping areas | ||||||||
| 19 | Smaller camp sites like Provincial Parks offer | ||||||||
| 20 | Sauna | ||||||||
| 21 | Tailgate camping areas | ||||||||
| 22 | Individual group will develop their own campsite. | ||||||||
| 23 | Rover Cabin | ||||||||
| 24 | Adirondack Shelters | ||||||||
Additional Facilities |
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| 1 | 3 Room Bunkhouses | ||||||||
| 2 | Plagues & artifacts moved from Trout Lake Camp | ||||||||
| 3 | Classroom space (for 10-15 people) in 3 or 4 separate buildings. | ||||||||
| 4 | Open Air Chapel | ||||||||
| 5 | Outdoor cooking area | ||||||||
| 6 | Camping Area | ||||||||
| 7 | Fireplace | ||||||||
| 8 | kitchen grill | ||||||||
| 9 | Staff Car Plugins | ||||||||
| 10 | Hot Tub | ||||||||
| 11 | Log Cabin Style | ||||||||
Heating |
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Toilets |
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| 1 | (15) Pit | ||||||||
| 2 | (9) Flush | ||||||||
| 3 | (7) Both | ||||||||
| 4 | (1) Composting | ||||||||
Activity Areas |
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| 1 | Hiking / Snow shoeing trails | ||||||||
| 2 | Orienteering Course | ||||||||
| 3 | Obstacle course | ||||||||
| 4 | Cross Country Ski Trails | ||||||||
Added Activities |
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| 1 | Biking Trails | ||||||||
| 2 | Aerial runways, Rope Course, High Adventure | ||||||||
| 3 | Destination Hiking Trails -- to Lookout, Rover Cabin etc. | ||||||||
| 4 | Interpretive Nature Trails | ||||||||
| 5 | Handicap Trails | ||||||||
| 6 | Climbing Wall | ||||||||
| Comments |
| I would like to see us set up a Scout
Camp similar to Kingfisher as far as things to do at Camp. Kingfisher has a full program on bird watching, compass trails, snow shoes, cross country skis, and many more programs that the leader can pull out of a filing cabinet and use. There is also extra boots, coats, mitts, hats, liners, etc. |
| I would like things to be "Beaver
friendly" as well as geared to the use of older youth. A nature area left undisturbed as much as possible, to encourage safe wildlife. We need to be careful not to scare the wildlife away while we are making our improvements. |
| I would like to see a long bunk
house style {motel style} sleeping complex, this would have a
his/hers washroom in the middle, in the washrooms there would be
a couple stalls, couple sinks, and a shower stall. This would serve our Scouting friends form the USA then three rooms down each way sleeping up to ten persons per room. {60}. This building would have a long covered porch with a set of steps at one end and center in front of washroom doors, a possible wheelchair ramp at the other. Across the parade square. would be the flag pole close to the sleeping complex. The washroom waste could be plumbed to center field to a holding tank that also would be connected to the kitchen sinks and small washroom in dining hall. I also would to see a dishwasher in the kitchen for sanitary reasons now-a-days. The dining hall would have to have an indoor washroom for health and sanitary reasons also for the handicapped campers. The dining hall would be divided into 3 sections, a cooking/kitchen area, dining area, and two seminar rooms for class room studies and woodbadge training. With only these three buildings it would be easier to wire, maintain, clean, and be constructed by outside contractors. The craft shop could be heated by a wood stove form the chalet out at trout lake camp. |
| I think that the Nor' Westers Scout
Reserve would need to be a better place for all Scouting
Sections. |
| Restrooms need not be heated -- we
are Scouts after all -- but they MUST be well-lit and close to
the camp sites. |
| I understand and support the need to
consolidate into 1 location and I am sure that all considerations
for transferring as much of the Trout Lake facility to Grey Wolf
has been discussed. Cabins could be loaded and transported to the new area, Grill and hood vent put in new kitchen, and reusable equipment such as dishes, fridges, etc. Plagues and artifacts from the walls at Trout Lake main hall walls must be repositioned in the new facility. |
| More wilderness trips, bush
experience and lake and river adventures were the priority. Living off ones own resources and skills, with supervision, were called for. |
| As someone who lives in the
neighbourhood, I am aware that water volume for many people on
that road is an issue and question if there would be sufficient
water to support showers/flush toilets. For a camp with more than
a handful of campers (especially for urban raised youth/adults
who have no concept of water conservation). Many people haul water to top up their wells on a weekly basis, and do their laundry at a Laundromat in town. If shower/flush toilets are wanted, water reserves will have to be investigated first. |
| A weeping bed for grey water is a
good idea. |
| Equipment storage probably should be
addressed to limit who has access to what. Equipment that is needed at the camp sites can be locked away. There is a shortage of storage space available now. |
| Some of the tools and equipment
needed for maintenance work need not always be available to
groups using the site. |
| It is nice to have a camp at Trout
Lake and we really enjoy it, & we will miss it very much. We love the camp. The kids will miss it. |
| I still don't think it should be
called a Scout "Reserve" |
| For training we need 2 or 3 (Ideally
4) areas for session/section classes in addition to the main
hall/dining/all-purpose room. This area could be part of the sleeping cabins, bunkhouse or other buildings. |
| If the patrol cabins were large
enough to house a small group, the facility could be shared by 2
or more groups at a time. |
| It would be nice to have an outdoor
cooking area, similar to the one at Kingfisher. A shelf around the wall could be used for food preparation and/or Coleman stoves. Maybe large enough to accommodate 4 to 6 patrols. Could be "Pole Barn" type of construction. |
| The new camp area should be developed in stages, over a lengthy period of time. I fear that some are looking for an "instant replacement" for Trout Lake. I think we would be making a terrible mistake if we go down that path. We start now by getting input from everyone concerned, then consolidating that information into a long range plan (10 or more years) The first year items should reflect only our immediate needs. Needs change, and group requirements change. The long-range plan should be assessed every year to make sure it is still valid. Not every thing we do will be successful. Spreading development over many years can avoid costly mistakes. By not completing all the work at once:
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| Sleeping Arrangements | |
| Boys in one cabin, Girls in another, Male & Female leaders in their own cabins. We mainly do All section camps and find there is not enough sleeping accommodations for all in the existing 2 cabins at Grey Wolf. | Comment number 1 |
| Tents | 2 |
| Buddy system | 3 |
| Lean-to (Survival style) | 4 |
| Troop together, leaders elsewhere but close. | 5 |
| Youth and leaders in separate cabins | 6 |
| Males in one cabin, Females in another | 7 |
| Log cabin with 2 wings for sleeping | 8 |
| Indoor, heated, bunks with private area in same building for the female leader. | 9 |
| Outdoors -- Tents | 10 |
| Spring/Summer/Fall in Tents, Winter in cabins / Lodge. | 11 |
| Winter - indoors. Most like the camaraderie in the bunk house, others like the small cabins. | 12 |
| Spring through Fall in Tents, Winter in cabins and bunkhouse. | 13 |
| Like to have Leaders in each cabin -- sleeping by the door | 14 |
| By Gender in separate Cabins | 15 |
| We have seconds for the cubs & the boys & girls and it is a lot of fun for all of them. | 16 |
| Scouts camp alone with leader. Also family arrangement for Beaver age | 17 |
| Bunkhouse with a room for the girls, one for the boys, and an area for the leaders | 18 |
| Yes. Get some sleep. -- Divided of course. | 19 |
| Bunkhouse | 20 |
| Tents in summer, Cabins in winter. | 21 |
| 3 room cabins, with the common area for the leaders, open enough to be used as a classroom | 22 |
| 3 Room Bunkhouses | 23 |
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